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General Vachot
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.03.21 00:57:24 -
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Hi Folks,
My 2 cents. Sorry if this is a repeat idea.
A couple of things we could do to bring back Assault frigates into the game and give them a niche space to play in.
1) Given them a single switching mode like a T3D but only 2 modes available not 3. Give them the ability to go into tank mode or speed mode only. Make the tank mode perhaps only very slightly better than their current tank ability and keep their DPS bonuses the same as they have now. That way you still have to chose how gank/tank you go even in tank mode. Make the speed mode drop DPS and tank to level that doesn't make the AF an OP max damage kiting machine and ensure the speed bonus does not allow them to out-compete inty's or some of the very fast faction frigates, but does allow them to catch fast cruisers and T3D.
2) Maybe give them a fitting bonus for entosis so they can be used in sov, but make it so the entosis can only be cycled when in tank mode.
All this would require some careful number crunching and play testing but I feel this will bring back the AF as the heavy tackler and decent damage dealer it used to be before T3D came along and kinda of displaced it as a viable ship.
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General Vachot
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.03.24 01:48:11 -
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Was my idea so bad it never even got flamed...sniffle sniffle.
I want to be able to viably have a choice to fly my svipul or my enyo in pvp knowing I am going to have fun.
I disagree with nerf to T3D - beyond that insta-warp thing but I agree with some tweaks to AF to give them a home. I think that home is not where is used to be as a solo PVP machine anymore (they can also be great cheap ratters for newer players). I think its new home needs to be the med-high speed heavy tackler so it sits between all the other frigates and dessy.
Inty - very high speed ultra light tackler bubble immune, low dps Frigates - high speed tackle low tank - can be short or longish range low-moderate dps Faction frigates - high-very high speed light tackle, moderate dps EAF - specialised tackle and ewar T1 dessy - anti frigates and EAF T3D - anti frigate, anti T1 dessy and medium speed heavy tackle
AF should be med-high speed heavy tackle with good close (no long range) dps. Its for ASSAULTING - that happens up close in any definition you look up. |
General Vachot
The Vendunari End of Life
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Posted - 2016.03.24 06:42:26 -
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First not saying that AF's are super bad and we used to run them a lot too. I know all the fits quite well but its not the heavy tackler it should be.
The issue is they are a bit slow not that they are not tanky or dps enough - hence some of my comments on switching modes. I also don't disagree with some of the finer points raised around some minor tweaks between the various AF's. But T3D are not cancer. Cancer is not fun (just ask anyone who has had it or seen someone go through it). A Svipul or confessor on the other hand is heaps of fun.
Your arguments seem to be more based around how AF and T3D fit into faction warfare and low sec but they don't necessarily translate to null sec. I play in both and have no specific preference to pvp in either so I am neutral in that respect.
Fact remains my go to fun ship right now is one of the T3D not any AF and I don't encourage any of my peeps into AF's specifically over T3D anymore.
Why? Its not because the T3D is auto win - trust me if you suck hard enough you can lose in a svipul to a well flown arty thrasher.
Its because AF's struggle to fill a gap that my inty pilots, faction frigate pilots or EAF pilots don't fill. If AF's were a bit faster and could tackle T3D and hold them long enough for support to arrive I think they would come back hard.
Yes T3D is also great against T1 cruisers but not autowin - plenty of T1 sucker fits around to bait single T3D for a kill. I'll take on a T3D in a T1 cruiser any time 1v1 win or lose it will be a fun fight.
Where it does get a bit hard is T3D fleets 25 arty svipuls is nasty, but then again so is 25 arty sabre or arty thrasher or 25 gila's.
Just to re-iterate I don't think AF are bad they just need a twist.
Also Oreb - "come down to Black rise and learn something" - really that's lame. I have been playing and pvping since 2006 there is nothing you can teach me about sucking hard at this game than I already know just ask all my peeps about my fleet whelps....
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